Problema con cambio de pista en curva

[HAL]

Escrito originalmente por jmkinki en 3 de Enero del 2010
Hola compañeros,
Al final me he decidido a montar temporalmente la pista digital. He puesto mi nueva PB Simple H analógica de 2 carriles, en una pista pero tengo un problemilla de cortos en la pista.
El problema se produce al poner el cambio de carril en curva que podéis ver en las fotos. Al sustituir el cambio por 2 curvas estándar todo funciona, tanto en modo analógico los 2 carriles como en modo digital.
Al cambio en cuestión le hice el corte tal y como aparece en la foto de slotforum, y le puse cinta aislante a una de las puntas para que no se pusieran en contacto accidentalmente... alguien sabe que puede ocurrir??
A parte de ese cambio en curva tengo puestos 2 cambios en recta a los que no les hice nada, y van bien...

http://cid-2a86fc8c92325abc.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Slot%20132/SDC10507.JPG

http://cid-2a86fc8c92325abc.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Slot%20132/SDC10507.JPG#resId/2A86FC8C92325ABC!715

http://cid-2a86fc8c92325abc.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Slot%20132/SDC10507.JPG#resId/2A86FC8C92325ABC!716
Tengo puesta unas líneas de mantenimiento de tensión pero la pista va bien con ellas, con las curvas estándar.
Alguna idea de qué puede ser??
Muchas gracias!!!
Editado 3 de Enero del 2010 por jmkinki

[HAL]

Escrito originalmente por M1K3LSLOT en 3 de Enero del 2010
Tiene que ser un corto en la curva, revia los cortes que sean efectivos con un polimetro (tester) lo que no entiendo es que las rectas de cambio funcionen sin modificar los puentes.

[HAL]

Escrito originalmente por RikoRocket en 3 de Enero del 2010

Tiene que ser un corto en la curva, revia los cortes que sean efectivos con un polimetro (tester) lo que no entiendo es que las rectas de cambio funcionen sin modificar los puentes.

Get rid of both the straight and curve non-digital lane change pieces. Have you made any power connections between powerbase and rails anywhere?

[HAL]

Escrito originalmente por jmkinki en 3 de Enero del 2010

Get rid of both the straight and curve non-digital lane change pieces. Have you made any power connections between powerbase and rails anywhere?

Pues en las rectas no he quitado ningún puente porque no lo he encontrado... ¿? dónde hay que cortar en las rectas??
En la curva si que corté y puse cinta aislante.
He puesto unas lineas de mantenimiento de tensión entre 2 puntos diferentes del circuito (tendría que poner alguna más), pero el problema ya lo tenía antes de ponerlas, por lo que no puede ser de eso, y sobre todo, que sin el cambio en curva todo funciona de maravilla.
Puede tener que ver los 2 cruces que tengo, uno en recta y otro en curva??
Lo único que me parece extraño es que hay un común entre los 2 carriles, al igual que ocurre con la pista de conexiones normal de Scalextric (tecnitoys). Es así o puede salir de ahí el problema...
In straight line changes I haven't cut anything because I haven't found it... ¿? Where should I cut in the straight lc??
In the curve line change I cut as the same as slotforum photo, and I put insulated adhesive (PVC I suppose) to avoid an accidental contact.
I have put keeping voltage lines between 2 points in the track, but the problem appears before I put it. And anyway it's work fine with these lines, both analogue and digital modes with 2 straight line changes, and withouth curve line change.
Could it caused by 2 line cross I have put? Or the straight cross??
I have noted as extrange, that there is a common point between 2 rails, as the same as occurs with connecting track of Tecnitoys. Is it correct??

[HAL]

Escrito originalmente por RikoRocket en 4 de Enero del 2010
You should only have an even number of crosses, 2, 4 or 0. To check, remove crosses from the circuit.
I have not seen a straight digital lane changer with a link, but it was designed if not implemented. There is a cover under the track at the front that is where it was supposed to be.
ch

Pues en las rectas no he quitado ningún puente porque no lo he encontrado... ¿? dónde hay que cortar en las rectas??
En la curva si que corté y puse cinta aislante.
He puesto unas lineas de mantenimiento de tensión entre 2 puntos diferentes del circuito (tendría que poner alguna más), pero el problema ya lo tenía antes de ponerlas, por lo que no puede ser de eso, y sobre todo, que sin el cambio en curva todo funciona de maravilla.
Puede tener que ver los 2 cruces que tengo, uno en recta y otro en curva??
Lo único que me parece extraño es que hay un común entre los 2 carriles, al igual que ocurre con la pista de conexiones normal de Scalextric (tecnitoys). Es así o puede salir de ahí el problema...
In straight line changes I haven't cut anything because I haven't found it... ¿? Where should I cut in the straight lc??
In the curve line change I cut as the same as slotforum photo, and I put insulated adhesive (PVC I suppose) to avoid an accidental contact.
I have put keeping voltage lines between 2 points in the track, but the problem appears before I put it. And anyway it's work fine with these lines, both analogue and digital modes with 2 straight line changes, and withouth curve line change.
Could it caused by 2 line cross I have put? Or the straight cross??
I have noted as extrange, that there is a common point between 2 rails, as the same as occurs with connecting track of Tecnitoys. Is it correct??

Editado 4 de Enero del 2010 por RikoRocket

[HAL]

Escrito originalmente por jmkinki en 4 de Enero del 2010
Thank you Ricko!
I have 2 crosses, one straight cross at first part of the track, and one in curve after the curved line change I had to dismount.

[HAL]

Escrito originalmente por jmkinki en 4 de Enero del 2010
Estoy seguro el problema está en el cambio en curva, puesto que aparece el corto cuando lo monto y desaparece en cuanto lo cambio por 2 curvas estándar... si embargo la última vez que monte la pista digital el cambio iba perfectamente.
I'm sure the problem is located in curved line change, because it appears when I put it in the track, ans dissapears as soon as I use a standard curve... however the last time I used the curved line change it worked fine.

[HAL]

Escrito originalmente por RikoRocket en 4 de Enero del 2010

Estoy seguro el problema está en el cambio en curva, puesto que aparece el corto cuando lo monto y desaparece en cuanto lo cambio por 2 curvas estándar... si embargo la última vez que monte la pista digital el cambio iba perfectamente.
I'm sure the problem is located in curved line change, because it appears when I put it in the track, ans dissapears as soon as I use a standard curve... however the last time I used the curved line change it worked fine.

Is it an old curve changer with a moveable exit flipper? These caused shorting problems.

[HAL]

Escrito originalmente por jmkinki en 4 de Enero del 2010

Is it an old curve changer with a moveable exit flipper? These caused shorting problems.

I don't know, it was included in an old Digital pack together Pb 1.2 and 2 cars (porsche boxter).
Perhaps I should cut in another place??
Here you have the photos of the cut ant the line change:
Cut
line change

[HAL]

Escrito originalmente por jmkinki en 4 de Enero del 2010
I have checked it with tester. Both lines are connected in line change but not in the place I shown to you where cut has been made correctly??
Where can be a connection between both lines in this curved line change?? I haven't found it.

[HAL]

Escrito originalmente por RikoRocket en 5 de Enero del 2010
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
I am wrong! Now I need to remake all mine! I thought this worked, I am really confused, I must have made the cut differently on my first one. Doh! I hope you can remake the joint, I'll take a picture of the correct place. What an idiot am I!

[HAL]

Escrito originalmente por jmkinki en 5 de Enero del 2010
Uppsss.... I have cut my 2 curved line changes...
I will wait for your instructions my friend, in order to remake the connection and where sould I make the new cuts...

[HAL]

Escrito originalmente por jmkinki en 5 de Enero del 2010
Hi again,
In order to help you to solve the problem, please see the following photo:
Shortcircuit
In the photo flipper A is wrong positioned for analogue mode, and flipper B is correct positioned for analogue mode.
With 2 flippers correctly placed for analogue mode, and cut made as the same you shown in slotforum (before photos), I have seen that point 1 at the left is connected with point 1 on the right, and point 2 on the left is connected with point 2 on the right.
For this reason I have a shortcircuit at my track when I mount the curved linechange...

[HAL]

Escrito originalmente por RikoRocket en 5 de Enero del 2010

Hi again,
In order to help you to solve the problem, please see the following photo:
Shortcircuit
In the photo flipper A is wrong positioned for analogue mode, and flipper B is correct positioned for analogue mode.
With 2 flippers correctly placed for analogue mode, and cut made as the same you shown in slotforum (before photos), I have seen that point 1 at the left is connected with point 1 on the right, and point 2 on the left is connected with point 2 on the right.
For this reason I have a shortcircuit at my track when I mount the curved linechange...

You are correct
Amended cut

Repair

Sorry about that! I had cut 6 the old way. I think because I only ever tested my analogue cars on my own I never realised the mistake.
Can a moderator please replace the earlier incorrect picture with the new cut picture. Thanks
Editado 5 de Enero del 2010 por RikoRocket

[HAL]

Escrito originalmente por djlutz en 6 de Enero del 2010

Can a moderator please replace the earlier incorrect picture with the new cut picture. Thanks

Hi Ricko, could you help me with the previosus picture location? I don't really know where, if you can help me with that I will change the pictures.
Thanks!

[HAL]

Escrito originalmente por jmkinki en 6 de Enero del 2010

You are correct
Amended cut

Repair

Sorry about that! I had cut 6 the old way. I think because I only ever tested my analogue cars on my own I never realised the mistake.
Can a moderator please replace the earlier incorrect picture with the new cut picture. Thanks

So I should cut in the new places. But how should I repair the wrong cuts?? Should I have to weld a wire in the track?? 2 cables as it is shown in the photo??
Have you check all is correct with this new cut???
Editado 6 de Enero del 2010 por jmkinki

[HAL]

Escrito originalmente por RikoRocket en 6 de Enero del 2010

Hi Ricko, could you help me with the previosus picture location? I don't really know where, if you can help me with that I will change the pictures.
Thanks!

Thanks for trying. I cannot find it either so I must have sent the picture direct to JMKinki. I am having what is called in english "a senior moment" (when my old brain gets confused...)

[HAL]

Escrito originalmente por jmkinki en 6 de Enero del 2010
Hi Riko, you send me by email a link to slotforum post:
slotforum post
I don't know whether this link has been published here in other post.
Riko, have you checked now all works fine??
The cable should to be welded or can be supported with metallic part??
Thank you for all!!!

Thanks for trying. I cannot find it either so I must have sent the picture direct to JMKinki. I am having what is called in english "a senior moment" (when my old brain gets confused...)

Editado 6 de Enero del 2010 por jmkinki

[HAL]

Escrito originalmente por jmkinki en 7 de Enero del 2010
Please... es necesario soldar los cables o puedo pillarlos con las pletinas del rail??
The cable should to be welded or can be supported with metallic part of the rails??

[HAL]

Escrito originalmente por RikoRocket en 9 de Enero del 2010

Please... es necesario soldar los cables o puedo pillarlos con las pletinas del rail??
The cable should to be welded or can be supported with metallic part of the rails??

Weld. Scratch the surface of the metal before heating to allow the solder to attach correctly.
Fully tested new cuts. Perfect! Sorry about that